The number of Comments

[Franko]

i would be happy to see how many Comments would be given to the Pictures - and this in the Galarie -

[admin]

I'm not sure what it is you're asking for.

[Franko]

I´d like to see in the Gallery - under the Thumbnails - how many comments the Pictures became - I´m interessted in the Comments and so i could see when there are new comments to the Images -
You know what i mean?

[admin]

I'll look into it.

[Franko]

I think you have to do it in the near future - it makes the Pictures more interesting if i can see how many comments are given and the vewings- and this is standard for this kind of Gallery - i think it is realy and very important to do it.
perhaps more important than :brushteet

[EyeSpy]

Just thought I'd drop my 2cents in here: For me, the number of posted comments has little to do with whether an image is interesting or deserving of my consideration. Art speaks for itself; the comments are simply a tool to feed our creative instincts and give us a little pat on the back. I think posting numbers on the Gallery page begins to feel like competition. That's NOT what I believe InnerTraveler's about.

Just my opinion...

[admin]

Thanks for your input, both of you.
Now under all thumbnails you will see lots of data,
including number of comments, views, ratings, etc.

Also I have added a link to people's galleries from their Profile page.
Also we have added many more pages to the Entrance Gallery.

Hope everyone is pleased by these refinements.

Unfortunately, we have not been able to make it so that people can listen to the great original music being uploaded here while perusing the galleries.

I think this may need a java applet to achieve that capability. But here's a suggestion. Sometimes after starting the music, I click on my browser and open a second version of innertraveler and scan the art while listening to the music. I know it takes a little extra effort and is probably only practical for those with broadband, but it's a thought.

[Engel47]

marvellous, I just noticed the number of hits and comments under each thumbnail. :clap:

[A3DLover]

Excellent Glenn, this will allow members to see if their getting hits/comments/ratings and I'd hardly think anyone could complain. :boogie:

[admin]

A number of people have said they prefer it the old way.

[Rumour]

Am I right in guessing that one of the reasons people have objected to seeing the change is due to it becoming more like a popularity contest?

Then perhaps you could have only the number of viewings on a pic showing? Nix the ratings thing, I don't think it has much bearing on the pic anyway since most people rate things at max, and I'd suggest considering removing the number of comments too? To me the number of comments is more like a rating, since the more people like the pic they more inclined they are to leave a comment to that effect, and by removing it, it cuts down on it looking like a popularity contest.

Of course, you could say that the number of viewings does that as well, however I feel that what it shows is the initial interest in the pic, and not its actual popularity. The thumbnails, in my opinion, are too small to be of any real judge as to what the pic is like, they show enough to pique my interest and make me look closer, and up until now, that's been the major factor in how I decide what pics to look at. (A minor one might be the artist.) Often I also comment as well, but not everyone will.

Alternatively, the number of viewings is often a higher number than the comments and could be a factor in 'popularity'. Consider something that has 30 viewings, but only 2 comments, and something that has 20 viewings and 5 comments. Which picture would you look at first? (Assuming you're the sort of person who makes a decision based on these factors.) For me, I'd probably look at both, but only if the thumbnails were interesting enough to take a look at in the first place.

Whether you keep the changes or revert back to the old way will depend on how many complaints you've received and their reasonings, as opposed to how many people give it the go ahead. I definitely think you should remove the rating, and possibly either the comments or the number of viewings also, but deciding which one (if any) could be hard. I have my settings set such that if I get a comment on my pic, I'll get an email telling me. What I don't get is how many people look at my pics, which is why I'd be leaning towards leaving the viewings up, remove the comments statistic.

If it helps any: Keep it Simple.

[admin]

Maybe I'll give that a try. Just show the "views." You make good sense.

[Franko]

Eyespy you said : art speaks fot itself - thats right i think - but i do not look to every picture in the maingallery and i am not able to do that - but for example i am not very interestet in Poems because of my bad english - there are too many words i had to look for - and so i´m not very interessted to look for this poem - but when i see that a lot of people like it, it becomes more interesting for me and i look at it.

And i think that it is interesting to see how popular a picture is - i like a pic or i like it not - and if there are 30 Comments i don´t have to like automatic - but i´m interested to see why so many people like it.
And i think its ok to show comments and views - but about the rating i think like Rumour.

But Admin - i think you have work at the design of those informations - the gallery looks better without it i think - perhaps it coud look a little bit more unobtrusive (dezent) - Now it looks like a Exel-table
I Do not not know how to say it - look at my propose:
perhaps it is a little bit too simple, but i dont like the tables.


http://www.nafralevi.de/pic/loneth1.jpg

[A3DLover]

Ok Glenn heres how 1 site does it: They let you choose whether or not you want your work rated or commented on. This option should please everyone.
Why are people uiploading their art here for anyway, cause they don't have the space on their hardrives to store it? I don't think so, Its because at the very least they want their works seen but not necessarily commented on or rated. If its not a big reconfiguring issue the above mentioned options can be instituted at the upload page(s).

[Rumour]

I think the point here is that some people would like to see in the Main Gallery, or on any of the other galleries, what comments/views the pics have before they go and look at the pic itself. People already have the option to be notified when they get comments, and as yet I don't know of anyone who's complained about being able to recieve comments or know how many people have looked at their work.

I think (and correct me if I am wrong) that the arguement and counter arguement has been about having the views and comments visible or not visible in the galleries themselves. Franko has a good point in that it is often interesting to see why a pic is so popular, and perhaps it will make some people look at something they wouldn't normally look at.

I agree that giving people an option to choose is a good idea, (though I think some people may still object to people looking/not looking at their work based on popularity alone) but I don't know how easy it would be to initiate. The only easy way I've been able to come up with so far, is a box that pops up when you roll over a pic (the ALT text) that lists the number of views and/or comments. This could be annoying to people because you couldn't see the ratings at a glance, but it does allow them not to be immediately visible for others. It's not the greatest solution, but it might be a viable compromise in the meantime?

NB: I'd avoid using Java or applets to do this if at all possible. Some people switch those off because it stops pop-ups and such things. Of course, that could also be a solution. Have such things switched on to view statistics.

[Franko]

Why are people uiploading their art here for anyway, cause they don't have the space on their hardrives to store it? I don't think so, Its because at the very least they want their works seen but not necessarily commented on or rated. If its not a big reconfiguring issue the above mentioned options can be instituted at the upload page(s).


If i understand you right, you think that it is ok, that i saw your pic but my comments are not so important for you? You must be a very convinced Artist - wow.
I love and need the comments to my pics - and i think most members think so. Feedback is the reason why i am here - and i think, that the Informations could be a good thing to direct to pictures that are not so interesting on the thubnails

Views are not so interesting for me - look at Rederosity - if there will be postet a PoserBosom there are 40-50 views in the first three minutes. Thats funny every time.
But i saw Thumbnails in this gallery that looks like bad Photographs and when i look to the picture it was a greatful Rendering but nobody had a look at this pic- perhaps 3 Views - now other members can see, that thier are some members that like this picture and perhaps look at this pic.
Thats great i think

[A3DLover]

If i understand you right, you think that it is ok, that i saw your pic but my comments are not so important for you? You must be a very convinced Artist - wow.
No Franko I'm not convinced or convicted as an artist, Comments are important to me thats why upload my stuff. Ratings are not important to me personally and I do like the option of being able to read the contents of comments and how many especially at a glance. I'm all for the thumb info as you requested of admins.
On my stuff I like comments good or not.
I like to be able to see number of views at a glance.
You have a good idea Franko and it suits me.

[Franko]

@A3DLover - I´m sorry of my missunderstandings - somebody like me with a minimum-english should be forbidden in a english Forum.


@Admin - i´m not able to understand the sence of "how many Views" - what information gives this to me? nothing i think - and the upload date? why should i be interssted in that? or is that intersting for the great Art the people all are talking from?
Now i think it was better before - like last week - without any Information. it looks better - but this is absolutely uninteresting for me - no thrill - no second look to a pic because of new comming comments (i´m interested in new comments of members to pictures i like too)

so i give my comment to a pic that Thumbnail i like or an artist i love - and than i go on - and the wonderful Image with the ugly thumbnail will be unnoticed by me and all the others - alike

[A3DLover]

@A3DLover - I´m sorry of my missunderstandings - somebody like me with a minimum-english should be forbidden in a english Forum.
No you shouldn't be forbidden viewing any art work or comments in the gallery or forums, I should know german so we can understand each other better.
And I should check my spelling better before posting.
The original configuration here is simplicity at its finest, there is only one other site that compares in quality to me this good and that is 3dc.
Lets rate it:
IT.com=#1 best
3DC.com=2nd best
cgnetworks.com=3rd best
3dlinks.com=4th best
Renderosity.com=no comment
The above sites in order of my personal preference.

[Franko]

One more Time :

Why want Franko see the Number of comments? Part 36

I want to see who gives what kind of Comments to what kind of picture - that is important for me because i want to know who you are.
You can say what you want but a gallery like this is a kind of Communitie and in a Communitie i want to know what kind of members are in it


Example : I come to this side - so - i look to the ugly Thumbnail of peterpauls Pic - well 3 Comments to the Picture of Paul - ok lets have a look - oh a wonderful pic of Paul----a few minutes later there are 6 Comments to Pauls Pic - i think: wow what is that? who gave the new Comments? and what kind of Comments? - so i have a second look to this pic - sometimes i have a question to the work but i mostly never come back to have a look if there is an answer - Paul answerd me my question and i could see it in the Maingallery. That would be so wonderful - but you want to see the views - im not able to understand it.

[Hyperborea]

Hi Franko, I am with you on this one! Al tho I like the minimal info under the thumbs ( as it is right now ) I agree with you that they should extended to show the comments as well.

The number of views is interesting, but the comments tell you something of the viewer who posted them.

You are absolutely right by stating that in a community like this one it is important to know what makes members tick. Before the crash there was a bio page for every artist and I wonder where it went. It was a good way to know a little bit more of the people that you are interested in!

Willem :wave:

[admin]

Let me think this over.

Franko, I like your designs for the information.

Hyperborea, We used to have a bio page, but nobody bothered filling them in, so I didn't put it up. I could put it back, if people really want it.

[Lemniscate]

I also like having the number of comments listed under the thumbnails in the gallery. Seeing the number of views there doesn't matter so much to me, though I still would like to see them on the individual image pages. The ratings don't really concern me either way.

[Franko]

Number of views is a bad Joke - it is painful to see how many- or better how nonmany people had a look at the pics. Thats absolutely repulsive.
Please change it to comments or take it away - i can not see this anymore - Teardrops are runnig down on my face - it burnes in my eyes.
:cries:

[DragonWizard]

I don't care about the number of views on the main pages but it is nice for me to see how many people actually looked at my pictures as I use this to guage whether I should print one picture or another...If you have 18 or however many pictures on a page and one of my pictures gets 30 views and the other gets 10 then I know the one that got 30 is more than likely the one I'm going to print...everybody has different ideas about what is important to see...for me it's views and for some it's ammount of comments...What you would like to see is good to ask for but don't take away what may be important to someone else just because it is NOT important to you. For me the ammount of comments is not as important but I wouldn't ask for it to be taken away as it might be important to others...I don't think any one of us can decide for everyone what is important...just my opinion.. also if you kill the ammount of views then you get 4 comments how do you know if more than 3 people looked at it...I have left sites where my work was only getting 3 views..what would be the point of posting if no one looked at it...It's nice for me to know that 40 or 50 people cared enough to look at my work...so to me it has value...it is encouraging...

[Hyperborea]

Number of views is a bad Joke - it is painful to see how many- or better how nonmany people had a look at the pics. Thats absolutely repulsive.
Please change it to comments or take it away - i can not see this anymore - Teardrops are runnig down on my face - it burnes in my eyes.
:cries:

Dear Franko. I guess you mean that there are not a lot of viewers at all on this site :confused: Don't forget that we are in a starting faze and believe me, in the near future the views will go up dramatically.

At the same time is doesn't matter if there are few or many people viewing. Just put a 0 behind every view number and you'll know what I mean.

I agree with DW that both (views an comments) are valuable information and should be listed :)

Give the site some time to grow and you'll get all the views and comments you can handle :boogie:

Willem
:meditate:

[Diane]

but the way it's done now isn't show how many time the work shown not how many different visitors look at it, because it count each time some one see it, in theory it can be the same person , even the creator him/her self . I think that it would be way more efficient to change the count system to count only unique I.P. visits to the works.

I also think that it's very important to see how many replays the work got, but to exclude the amounts of replays from the creator of the art work. it's just give more accurate fast info...

Thank you all for the great Job you all doing here.
Diane Tremblay

[admin]

And thank you Franko for taking the time to do those layouts. I like them and will try to incorporate them.