I have a suggestion

[classylady]

I know this site is or least I thought it was more poser, however from what I have seen in the contests over the past 4 or more months , it would be nice to also alternate months, with fractals , veu and or any other programs people use here. It just seems the poser contests are shamelessly lacking in participation. What are your thoughts???

[Engel47]

Each moderator has their own forum to "run" - I run the Poser forum and started the challenge there - it depends on each individual moderator to run their forum as they wish to increase traffic and interest. I am sure that there is nothing to stop each forum Mod from running their own challege if they wished each month, that way every artist gets to compete in their own chosen field. Suggest this in the fractal forum (or other forum if you fancy having a go) and see if anyone fancies it.

As to the actual site being "Poser" it is a general art site, but I suppose the Poser artists may be more plentiful - don't know, never actually counted 'em. :headbang:

I agree the poser challenge does not get as many entries each month as we would like - but it appears that people come here to upload their art each day and then leave straight away without participating in the site in any other way. This is one of the reason for the increase in Moderators of late, we want to see the forums pick up, and a lot of the forums had no moderators at all, we want to encourage people to stay at the site, rather than uploading and leaving immediatley. It is horrible to say, but I would bet my life savings that if Innertraveler ran a challenge with prizes the number of entrants would go up a hundredfold. The problem with the Poser challenge is that there is no prize, just the honour of winning, and having been chosen by your peers, but that, it seems, is not enough. :cries:

Saying that, under your avatar it says Fractal & Poser Lover :) but
I don't see an entry from yourself in the Poser challenge :(

[classylady]

lol Angie I just posted one. frankly had no idea each mod had the opportunity to choosea challege so think I'll go bug Hubbabub since there is so many fractal people here now.. thanks for the info and yes i was wondering why so many moderators now it seems I missed a few things having connection problems and puter problems , now its getting the site caught up . Thanks again for the info:)
Have a great day.

[vos]

Hey classylady,
I like your idea,take a look at terragen forum,frustration by Revenant,and my answer to him,and you will understand it!!!
I agree with Engel 47, it appears that people come here to upload their art each day and then leave straight away without participating in the site in any other way.
Bye,chris

[Engel47]

lol Angie I just posted one. frankly had no idea each mod had the opportunity to choosea challege so think I'll go bug Hubbabub since there is so many fractal people here now.. thanks for the info and yes i was wondering why so many moderators now it seems I missed a few things having connection problems and puter problems , now its getting the site caught up . Thanks again for the info:)
Have a great day.

lol Angie I just posted one Great - well done you!!
i was wondering why so many moderators now Well actually - there used to be more, but for personal reasons and health reasons etc, we have lost several over the last 6 months, so it was time to start recruiting again. We still have several forums with no moderators.

[classylady]

I sure will Chris you know this happens at every place people just post and leave maybe that is part of why I didn't stop by with all the problems I am or was having with connections and computer, I just feel personally if I can not comment I won't post. Every site I have been at is the same way. I think we need to suggest strongly when someone signs up they must also participate at least in commenting. I also know that is a hard one to make happen. I don't have the answer wished I did Ladies. but people are people last night when I went through and made comments on gosh about 8 pages worth I noticed alot of our people also were not even posting. There seemed to be a lot of people I had never heard of before also.. When a regular doesn't post or try to comment it really makes the site look bad. I noticed Hawk hadn't posted for awhile, neither did i see oh darn he is French the AOM I think in March hasn't posted either. I realize some have a language problem which just adds to the entire situation.

[classylady]

Well I just posted my thoughts in the Terragen forum I think it is site wide so it still comes down to people posting and leaving that does happen to most sites. unfortunately how do you do turn it around without making some people upset is a real hard answer.

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lol Angela I maybe late in posting and it may not be exactly what the theme is at least I try to post at least 1 image. Yes there are always going to be people who have to let it go especially health problems some things just can not be avoided I know myself after so long I didn't want you to think I had left thats why when I had a chance to let you what was going on with my situation I simply e-mailed you.

Do you think having some type of a news letter would help.??? or a simple letter suggesting them to participate,just thoughts running through my head at the moment as to how to get people to post and comment. One thing I just dislike is say a site has X amount of members when in reality only 10 or so actually participate in anything going on this is true at any site. Again thought the answer I don't really know what to say or even suggest. :disbelief

[Engel47]

I like the suggestion of a newsletter - I will have a look into that and see how feasible it is. I had thought of a letter to all members to - but the wording would need to very carefully thought out, not least due to the number of nationalities of members we have, what some find funny, others find insulting, so trying to find the right tone may be difficult. I agree with you about the numbers of members the site has compred to those that are actually active. I was checking something the other day in the members list and came across an entire page of members that joined and have never been back to the site since the day they joined :disbelief makes you wonder why they bothered signing up in the first place.

Hmmmmm, ideas a buzzing around my little brain box now :lachen001

[vos]

I have a language problem ,I can read and understand english but the writing is a big problem.I like the suggestion of a newsletter too!!

[classylady]

Well I do believe you will have to choose your words wisely, I'll give you an example a couple of months ago we were asked to join another site well we did I didn't post much but when I did I also commented and if I had time then I would check out the forums if I did not have the time I simply posted commented and left. Now what I got was a letter along with many other people basically what it said was unless you participate in the entire site activities or if you had not posted for 90 days your gallery would be taken down, and you would be deleted from being a member. I thought that was some really poor choice of wording needless to say lol I sent this person a message and basically said cya do what you have to do.. again another reason to choose your words carefully this one I thought a bit over direct. had no problem in telling them where to ummm stick it? lol.....good thing I had only posted a few images before Ron got really sick. He still is , he has rheumatoid arthritis obviously the new meds they have him on are doing no good he can barely walk now believe me they have done just about everything from pills to a hand replacement to kemo therapy nothing seems to help bring him back to a half way decent life. so we just go day by day..
anyway good luck on the letter I wonder if you could maybe get those like Chris to translate in to some of the languages used here. I would suggest 1 e-mail or letter with a few different translations maybe also listing Artist of the Month. Only suggesting thats all gosh I see so many new people here and have never seen there names or works before either. :blahblah: lol okay I'm gone for now. time for some zzzz laters all talk soon

[Engel47]

unless you participate in the entire site activities or if you had not posted for 90 days your gallery would be taken down

Well actually that is fairly understandable, 3 months is a long time to be absent. I dread to think how much these sites cost to run, and as you said yourself, people are just using IT (as they do others) to post their images and then run. They take no active part in the site at all, and that is to be discouraged. I agree that the site you mentioned are taking a fairly hard line, but it's their rules.

[wile1]

Maybe theres another thing. People want help with their art. Especially new people. I'm not one to give everyone a 10 excellent rating if they don't deserve it. I would think that we should try to help people instead of saying all the time well done! Maybe say well done but... you could do this and would improve it a lot. or someething.

I don't know why people run. I have heard from a couple people saying they think this site is to classy. One person said they did photography and felt it was out of place. Another one said they didn't think they fit the standards here. I said you just don't give it enough credit. You need to keep posting and let people get to know what you can do. Then they will comment, help etc. Thats why theres a section to put comments on your pics.

And as mod's I think we need to read those comments they explain a lot of times what folks are doing and why.

Okay and as for contests. Im all for others besides poser. Specially some in fractols and vue and bryce. :D

*tends to ramble* :blahblah: etc etc etc. :lachen001

[tdierikx]

Now what I got was a letter along with many other people basically what it said was unless you participate in the entire site activities or if you had not posted for 90 days your gallery would be taken down, and you would be deleted from being a member.

I beg to differ there classylady... what the letter actually said was that if there was NO activity by a member in over 90 days, their gallery would be cleared out to make more room for those members who do participate in the site.

It did NOT say that anyone's membership would be deleted, nor that they had to participate in EVERY aspect of the site. I am the person who drafted that other site's newsletter - so I am acutely aware of exactly what it says... and the reasoning behind it.

As for the other problem addressed here about people only using this place as somewhere ad-free to post their art... well, unfortunately that is what happens. A lot of people are just not interested in talking with others - they are only interested in getting the free gallery space (and the nice comments) - you'll probably find that these people will also be the ones who complain the loudest when asked to participate in other ways...

I run my own (fledgeling) forums - and I refuse to offer free gallery space for precisely the reasons above. I cannot afford to be paying for huge amounts of server space so that others can abuse my "hospitality". I do have a private gallery set up, where I currently post my own work, and works from my forum members who are participating in a game of Apophysis "tweak tag" (220 images there alone so far... lol!)

My forums have been designed as a place where people can come and talk about their art, their graphics apps, etc - we can swap tips and tricks, share links to other sites, or just natter away to each other if that is what we want to do. Sure, there are only 47 members so far, and only about 10 regular posters - but it's lively enough for a board that was only set up 3 weeks ago... lol!

As for myself - I signed up here so that I can view other people's art, and maybe get some ideas to stimulate my own "creative juices", and hopefully to learn some cool tricks and tips in the forums. I did not sign up to use the gallery space offered here - I use my own private gallery for that. I'm not about to go through ALL of the work posted here daily and religiously comment on it or rate it - I will comment/rate if an image really appeals to me, and for no other reason than the artist deserves some kudos for that...

I AM looking - and I AM reading...

T.

[classylady]

Well actually that is fairly understandable, 3 months is a long time to be absent. I dread to think how much these sites cost to run, and as you said yourself, people are just using IT (as they do others) to post their images and then run. They take no active part in the site at all, and that is to be discouraged. I agree that the site you mentioned are taking a fairly hard line, but it's their rules.

Thats right it is their rules and you go by them or you just let it go. can you image how many galleries would go if you did that here, not a bad idea actually at say 6 months but like you I have seen many who have signed up and have not even posted. I'm wondering if it is because in most part at least they want to see the works of a friend and signed up to get in, Any thought about allowing people to view only?? without them having to sign up?? I maybe wrong if I am I know you will let me know. :) take care Carolyn

[classylady]

I beg to differ there classylady... what the letter actually said was that if there was NO activity by a member in over 90 days, their gallery would be cleared out to make more room for those members who do participate in the site.

It did NOT say that anyone's membership would be deleted, nor that they had to participate in EVERY aspect of the site. I am the person who drafted that other site's newsletter - so I am acutely aware of exactly what it says... and the reasoning behind it.

As for the other problem addressed here about people only using this place as somewhere ad-free to post their art... well, unfortunately that is what happens. A lot of people are just not interested in talking with others - they are only interested in getting the free gallery space (and the nice comments) - you'll probably find that these people will also be the ones who complain the loudest when asked to participate in other ways...

I run my own (fledgeling) forums - and I refuse to offer free gallery space for precisely the reasons above. I cannot afford to be paying for huge amounts of server space so that others can abuse my "hospitality". I do have a private gallery set up, where I currently post my own work, and works from my forum members who are participating in a game of Apophysis "tweak tag" (220 images there alone so far... lol!)

My forums have been designed as a place where people can come and talk about their art, their graphics apps, etc - we can swap tips and tricks, share links to other sites, or just natter away to each other if that is what we want to do. Sure, there are only 47 members so far, and only about 10 regular posters - but it's lively enough for a board that was only set up 3 weeks ago... lol!

As for myself - I signed up here so that I can view other people's art, and maybe get some ideas to stimulate my own "creative juices", and hopefully to learn some cool tricks and tips in the forums. I did not sign up to use the gallery space offered here - I use my own private gallery for that. I'm not about to go through ALL of the work posted here daily and religiously comment on it or rate it - I will comment/rate if an image really appeals to me, and for no other reason than the artist deserves some kudos for that...

I AM looking - and I AM reading...

T.
Sorry T that is how I took it and why we left. we can discuss this on our own not here. Please.

However I do agree as I already stated about signing up to view and get idea's

[classylady]

Maybe theres another thing. People want help with their art. Especially new people. I'm not one to give everyone a 10 excellent rating if they don't deserve it. I would think that we should try to help people instead of saying all the time well done! Maybe say well done but... you could do this and would improve it a lot. or someething.

I don't know why people run. I have heard from a couple people saying they think this site is to classy. One person said they did photography and felt it was out of place. Another one said they didn't think they fit the standards here. I said you just don't give it enough credit. You need to keep posting and let people get to know what you can do. Then they will comment, help etc. Thats why theres a section to put comments on your pics.

And as mod's I think we need to read those comments they explain a lot of times what folks are doing and why.

Okay and as for contests. Im all for others besides poser. Specially some in fractols and vue and bryce. :D

*tends to ramble* :blahblah: etc etc etc. :lachen001

You have made some good points yes I think it is to easy to just hit the 10 and comment, I was under the impression when we started here that most comments were to be as kind for lack of a better word .. as possible, I have told many in my humble opinion you may want to try this or that. however also I have no idea what a good Mojo World, Cinema4d Bryce and some of the other programs how they really are to look like . I think comments is fine maybe some may even suggest getting rid of the rating system.. I dont know I just comment as I feel if I like the image or not you can always find something good enough to comment on. or make a "IMHO" you may want to try this or that but again to me this happens in every gallery I have belonged to or do belong too. sorry I have no more suggestion I really don't know the answer. :sadangel:

[tdierikx]

Any thought about allowing people to view only?? without them having to sign up??

That's the best suggestion that I've seen yet! Good one classylady!

Sorry T that is how I took it and why we left. we can discuss this on our own not here. Please.

I would be happy to do that classylady... maybe we should have done that when you got the newsletter from the other site? It would have negated the posting of your previous comments on this site - which I really didn't see as very fair to that site.

Classylady - you know that I like and respect you a lot - but may I ask that you read things more carefully if the first time through doesn't appeal? It would save you (and others) a whole lot of grief... lol! To write off a whole site due to a misunderstanding that could have been cleared up in minutes seems to me to be a little bit of overkill - wouldn't you agree?

P.S. Please read this entire post more than once - just so we don't have any misunderstandings here, OK? I am not "attacking" you or anyone else - just stating what I see as fact...

T.

[wile1]

I think comments is fine maybe some may even suggest getting rid of the rating system.. I dont know I just comment as I feel if I like the image or not you can always find something good enough to comment on. or make a "IMHO" you may want to try this or that but again to me this happens in every gallery I have belonged to or do belong too. sorry I have no more suggestion I really don't know the answer.

Honestly I do try to say nice things about every picture in here. I always pick things out of the pic that really are amazing. But sometimes and its rare but sometimes I think that a person could do better. If thats the case give them a 9 say wonderful job but try this or that to make it even better.

Im with you on the fact I don't know much about some of the types of programs. But I also think that you do and I know I do know what we think is good. Generally its all lovely work. Amazing really for the majority of what we see. Im just saying.. that occasionally someone might want a bit of help. Thats where the forums will come in handy. Point a person in that direction.

Lets say someone needs help with some things in poser, like blending out shoulder seams or putting textures on.. Why not point them to the poser forums to ask questions by saying that in a post.

...Your pic is lovely its a great idea, great lighting all over beautiful but... it would be better if the shoulder seam wasn't so prominate, why not ask in the poser forum about how to fix that and Im sure someone will help...

Well something like that. Anyway I think you know what I mean. and...

Im rambling again.. You know I tend to do that lol I can talk for hours about nothing :D

[Engel47]

Lets say someone needs help with some things in poser, like blending out shoulder seams or putting textures on.. Why not point them to the poser forums to ask questions by saying that in a post.

...Your pic is lovely its a great idea, great lighting all over beautiful but... it would be better if the shoulder seam wasn't so prominate, why not ask in the poser forum about how to fix that and Im sure someone will help...

:D

Or - how about sending the person a PM rather than a public post making that suggestion? I know.... I know......the rating system is there for a reason - but it seems some people get overly upset if you critise their work, however gently! But that being said you can give less than a 10 rating and then perhaps in the comment say something like "well I can see you are improving in leaps and soon you will be a perfect 10" (or words to that effect :) ) then PM them with your suggestion for improval- or the suggestion that they ask for guidance in the forum. There is absolutley no reason why every picture should be given a 10 in my opinion (but that is just my own opinion) everyone enjoys reading comments on their art - it's why they (well, some) post after all. :love:

[tdierikx]

I'm not a big fan of the rating systems at galleries myself - too many noses can get out of joint if someone give a less than perfect score for a work that the artist may have thought was pretty fantastic...

I'd actually like to know what applications people are using to create their works myself - say I see an absolutely gorgeous fractal (that's my thing OK) and I would like to be able to try to make something in a similar vein - then I want to know what darned application allowed the artist to create that image... too many artist comments saying "thanks for looking" for my liking!

classylady almost always stipulates which application she has used to create her gorgeous fractals - and any postwork applications as well - THAT is what I want to see from everyone! I am here to learn something - not to show off and stut about how great I think I am... so there ner!

T.

[Engel47]

I'd actually like to know what applications people are using to create their works myself - say I see an absolutely gorgeous fractal (that's my thing OK) and I would like to be able to try to make something in a similar vein - then I want to know what darned application allowed the artist to create that image...
classylady almost always stipulates which application she has used to create her gorgeous fractals - and any postwork applications as well - THAT is what I want to see from everyone! I am here to learn something - not to show off and stut about how great I think I am... so there ner!

T.
I agree, I always find it interesting to see what was used to do what! I have actually been out and bought/downloaded programs based on what I have seen in galleries, not that I produce anything like their images, but I really like trying. I have actually posted comments before now asking exactly program was used when the artist hasn't stipulated.

[vos]

I also agree,it is always nice to know which program was used.
For me it is simple I use Bryce 5 only ,can not work with other programs but I go try to make a terragen Pic.if my computer do not crash!!
Also I like to view works from other people ,I just enjoy it!!
And what is Art?????What is Beautiful?????
Just play around with your programs and enjoy it,and give comments!!!!
Bye :beerchug:

[classylady]

All are very true maybe a good idea just to get into the habit of not posting a rating just expressed it your comments, also agree on either sending them a private message and or send them to the forums for help. plus do certainly like to know what programs are used in the creation there was one I commented on yesterday nothing was listed so in comments I simply asked what program did you use .. I think it is something that may need to be suggested more to posters what programs are used: may be a good subject for the new news letter:)

and if a certain technique is used maybe suggesting either in comments or via message to post that persons info in the prospective forum may help someone else out.

Art to me is in the eyes of the beholder when commenting, when posting it is in the eyes of the creator. What I may think is a fabulous images the next person may spot something I've missed and should then proceed as Engel said via messages heck I think they are all great , in many cases a higher rating may just be a way of giving encouragement to that artists.. Fair or not I don't know.

[Rumour]

Typically I don't rate people unless the image has struck me in some way and I think it particularly good. An alternative to using the rating system provided, is to do what DragonWizard does and make up your own rating - it doesn't have to be in terms of 1-10, it could be Good, Great, Fantastic, Absolutely Stunning. There is no obligation to use Inner Traveler's rating system at all really unless you want to.

I always like to see what programs people use as well, even if you used 7 of them! I also like to know what inspired the person, but unfortunately sometimes all we get is the bare bones. Some people might feel inhibited because of their language I guess, in which case I don't much care if it's in French, Italian German or Afrikaan - that's what translation sites are for (although I might need help with Afrikaans to find a translator.) It shows that people are here about their art rather than just a place to, 'dump their stuff.' Knowing that the picture you are looking at was inspired by your sister who just did the most amazing thing for you, or that you tried to capture the colours in a sunset makes it more significant and personal to the viewer as well. Good art will touch a person no matter what, but if I feel sad or angry and express myself by drawing something that maybe isn't so great, then it seems to me that perhaps the quality of the work won't matter so much as the mood and the reasons behind it's creation.

Many great artist's work doesn't affect me the way it does others, but to illustrate my point... I've always liked a Tori Amos song called 'Mary' for a long time now, but it wasn't until recently when I realised the song was about the earth, that all the lyrics changed their angle and had a new and more significant meaning to me.

Just a humble opinion, I like to help people with advice as well, but agree with Angela that some times it's best to PM the person rather than post a public comment, as many artists are quite sensitive and get very defensive if they think you are being overly critical and 'attacking' them. (BTW, though I used to be like that, now I'd much rather hear people say my work is crap and why they think so, that way I can either learn what improvements need to be made to it or laugh it off as one person's opinion which doesn't necessarily mean the work is bad.)

I shut up now. :blahblah: :bowl:

[Engel47]

Thats right it is their rules and you go by them or you just let it go. can you image how many galleries would go if you did that here, not a bad idea actually at say 6 months but like you I have seen many who have signed up and have not even posted. I'm wondering if it is because in most part at least they want to see the works of a friend and signed up to get in, Any thought about allowing people to view only?? without them having to sign up?? I maybe wrong if I am I know you will let me know. :) take care Carolyn
Correct me if I am wrong - but I beliveve people can already do that! They only have to register to post.

[wile1]

I believe they can view the thumbnails of a gallery without signing up but I don't think they can see the larger pics. I've sent my gallery link to several people who say they can't see the large picture.

[Engel47]

I did not realise that! Unfortunatley that's the way the site owner has it set up and that's the way he likes it! I think the idea is to get people to register with the supposion that they will become active members and not simply drop in to view.

[classylady]

I did not realise that! Unfortunatley that's the way the site owner has it set up and that's the way he likes it! I think the idea is to get people to register with the supposion that they will become active members and not simply drop in to view.


Now don't we all wished that were the case, unfortunately I wonder how true it is?

laters all see you later tonight

[DragonWizard]

"Just a humble opinion, I like to help people with advice as well, but agree with Angela that some times it's best to PM the person rather than post a public comment, as many artists are quite sensitive and get very defensive if they think you are being overly critical and 'attacking' them."

Atta girl. Rumour....and Angie also.... I AGREE....whole heartedly... anytime you make it your job to correct someone it has the chance to start a battle...maybe some see it as oversensitive, but, it is none the less true...

Artists, being generally the sensitive type, and most feeling as strongly as they do about their art, will not take kindly to you coming, unbidden, to their work and telling them, IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, what they did wrong...I know , and I take the risk that you think I'm a jerk, that if you come to my picture and start trying to prove how smart you are, to me, then I would probably send you a "nice" PM telling you where you might deposit your advice.... if I am hated for that then so be it, but I won't have someone smearing my work with pointless pontification, just so someone can fill their need to be smarter than me...

Some of these ideas will only run off people that don't want to be bothered, regardless of how one feels about their level of cooperation, as I would if you told me I HAD to comment or leave... Maybe we should change our name to Slenderocity, if we want to treat people heavy handedly...as it will definitely slenderize this site and give us a reputation much like a particular site which shall remain un-named....we all know that particular place that has made the site important and not the artists....where they change the rules on you AFTER you join up and their advice, if you complain, about all the people coming to your works and smearing them each time, is to tell you to get a thicker skin...what a JOKE...say something about their site and see how fast THEY get a thicker skin... more likely they will hide in waiting like they always do, and then harrass you to death with accusations and their little group of crap stirrers will pretty much ruin any happy experience that might have come from posting there...I've been booted out of there twice for telling people to leave MY WORK ALONE.....they have the right to criticize my work but I am NOT to tell them to stop as it is being confrontational.... a matter of point of view I would say... One mans "critique" is another mans "Trolling".... and it is something that is, in the final outcome, more destructive, to some, than it is instructive...

I, for one, would not like to see this site be a mirror of Render-crotchity, or have our members be treated like many are treated there....like we are important for "letting" them POST here instead of happy they chose us to post their work at.... let's not lose track of the fact, that, if they go all we have is a "good old boy" site with a few members that just sit around and pat each other on the back, while the really great stuff leaves for calmer waters along with their disgruntled makers...it only takes a few small incidence of problems at a site to rip the guts out of it and make it a deserted wasteland..... how many remember this site from a year ago???... Easily a hundred views the first page and tons of comments...then there was a problem... people left.... it takes very little to sour a person on a site.... I seem to remember a few of you writing me and telling me how unfair it was that this site had problems with posting certain pictures or that instead of three pictures you could now only post one, or that if you paid and didn't get your 3 pictures REAL SOON that you would quit and leave....sound familiar to anyone??? If you want this SITE to be successful then you need to be at least a little bit unrestrictive... if you want to be standing here all alone with just a small group of friend, then make it hard on people and that's what you'll have.... funny how some complain about things and then want it to be MORE restrictive....it is funny how it is usually those that complain the most that want it to be their rules that govern everyone else....

This should be a free and open community (at least as far as that is possible and still retain order) not a totally rule driven site that only thinks about the wishes of a few and forgets that it is the artists there that make it alive in the first place...do we want a large membership with literally tons of artwork to attract the eye of people or a small restricted clique of insecure people that only want THEIR kind of person to post (usually this is a group of folks that are willing to blow smoke up each others butts and make them feel "important".. it's easy to be the best if you only have 2 others to compare yourself to.... a lot harder when it is open and many your work must compete with (and let's not fool ourselves, it is your work that has to be competitive not you, else you get no view count and NO comments... a real pain in it's self)...

If you love art and love to view art then let people post and leave them alone unless they break a rule... as a mod it is YOUR job to work here, NOT THEIRS....we are here to service them, not the other way around...to recruit new membership not delete the ranks with pointless and totally unenforceble rules....crying about them not commenting is a waste of time, you are not going to change them, your just going to piss them off... can we afford that at this juncture.... I for one think not.....leave policy making to the admin and just do your own job and things will work themselves out according to the plan of those that actually MAKE POLICY HERE...

Sorry if I sound pissed off, but I love this site more than I love posting here, but I would quit in a second were some of these "suggestions" to be realized and implemented... I do what I do (commenting and Moderating) because I wanted to.. not because someone said I HAD TO.... in that case we would not be having this discussion with the DragonWizard involved at all... I became an Admin (for the short time I was able to handle that) on the grounds that I was so active and doing what I felt the site needed me to do.. not because I had been asked, as I could have done half the work and stayed a Mod, but because I WANTED TO, I wanted the site to benefit because I loved the way the site was run and it had treated me so well...it was a positive place and I wanted it to stay so...status quo....I only wish my mental and emotional makeup had allowed me to continue, alas, this was not to be and I fell from my lofty perch in a ball of flames... and seared many a wing of those that were my friend (and we know whom we are eh??)... my own failings...

PLEASE... leave those artists alone unless they break the rules but don't make harsher rules for them to break just to eliminate those you find lacking in the job that was never theirs to begin with...lead by example...not by the "my way or the highway" method or soon you'll be the only ones standing here...I have seen many sites go out that way...if the "biggest site around" didn't have a store that could sell all those wares for people it wouldn't have hardly any members left as restrictive as they are... every month a new set of rules to further tie you down, to their advantage, and your loss of freedom to express....I mean you can't post a picture of a teen ager that is IMPLIED to be nude (NOT NUDE..IMPLIED NUDE)... I can see PORN that explicitly shows genitalia of prepubescent kids being a no no but what would happen to a LOT of the sculpture in Rome with all of the little naked angels if they took that stance...they don't feel they should have to work at discerning what is proper so they make a blanket rule NO NUDE PEOPLE UNDER MATURITY and they decide if it looks mature or not... Oh we'll still allow scenes of graphic violence but no nude BABIES.. how ridiculous.. ridiculous in the idea that common everyday sense will tell if it is pornographic or not....maybe DAZ should put underwear on everything eh? lol....now there's a thought...

Be discerning, not restrictive.... :rolleyes:

[wile1]

ONe time a few months ago a friend of mine was just starting out in Poser. I've been at this poser thing for 3 years and Im still learning new things everyday and sometimes I just beg people to teach me how they did something.

But.. back to story.. my friend showed me a picture she had made in a private msn message. and asked me if I liked it. I said yes I loved it and I did. It was very imaginative and a great pic for a beginner. Even did the texture on the figure well. So then she said to me... Is there anything wrong with it that needs fixed...

So I looked it over and said only two little things I can see... blend her shoulder seams and where her joints bend sometimes thats one thing on poser that never looks right and a little blending on them will fix that problem. I learned that from a friend. And the only other problem I see is the toe seems to go into the cage but thats an easy fix. Just blend that bar across so it looks like the toe is actually behind that bar and not in it.

Well she said okay then left msn. And I didn't here from her or talk to her for 3 weeks. I finally cornered her in chat and asked her what was wrong, why wasn't she talking to me. She said I told her I didn't like her picture. I just got very confused and said I've never said that to you or anyone. I love your work I would never say that. She said yes you did you said well her toe is all wrong its not right its bad. I said read your logs I never said that.

Well a few minutes later she comes back and appologizes said she just got upset because I told her something was wrong with her pic. I said hon you asked me if there was anything wrong and what could you do to improve it I just told you thats all. I loved the pic.

Well after that we talked a bit and she said she just took it all wrong. So I kinda thought, you know some people are very sensitive about their work they think if you tell them something that you hate it.

I myself beg for help on things if I don't think I'm doing something wrong and boy I like people saying you know you could fix it this way or do this etc. Cause it really helps me a lot to improve.

So I dont know what you can do about anything if you tell some people even in private that this could be done to improve.. they are liable to fly off the handle, but if they ask and you do they really should accept the help.

Okay this has nothing to do with anything... you know me Im just rambling.

Point is that the majority of people ask for help they want it.. they want to improve and do things better, but if you tell them and they take it wrong theres really nothing we can do about that.

So maybe we should just say nice pic and forget saying anything else. Well except for if its like DW says a little pornagraphic, which brings us around to a whole new subject actually and ... I've lost track lol.

I think my question is... If we see a pic we feel is a tad overboard on the nudity or leans towards the pornagraphic side, what do we do about it?

[Engel47]

I think my question is... If we see a pic we feel is a tad overboard on the nudity or leans towards the pornagraphic side, what do we do about it?

Now - I haven't been a mod for some time and I cannot recall the differences between what you see and what I see when I am logged on - BUT - if the image is nudity and not in the nudity gallery and you can move it there by clicking on edit image, then that's fine, move it over and IM the artist that it has been moved and ask them nicely to make sure they use the correct gallery in future. If however you cannot do that, or the image is Porn, then simply post a message in the mods room for either Ava or myself, or PM one (or both) of us and whoever gets here first can deal with it. On a side note I think discussions of this type should take place in the mods room. Please keep general forums, well, general. Anything Mod related - move over to the mods room and ask there please. :nod:

[DragonWizard]

Man you are quick... just checked my mail to find this forum entry... that's my Girl....ON THE J-O-B...lol....this is exactly the advice I would have given... this is always the best course of action when you're in doubt about what, if anything, you should do... the admin are always the best choice for the answer as they have been here quite a while running this show as smoothly as it goes....only REAL problems at I.T. are usually technical as most are very courteous or they don't stick around long..lol...

So follow the advice below and you'll always be in line with site policy...sounds so structured doesn't it...hehehe :ta-da:

[Engel47]

Man you are quick...

Pays to be quick every now and then :mwahaha:

[vos]

DW words: Oh we'll still allow scenes of graphic violence but no nude BABIES.. how ridiculous..
That is indeed ridiculous ,there are a lot, beautiful nude ladies pictures,sure a pleasure to view for all the gentlemen,but where are the nude gentlemen pictures you do not see them only a few!!!So 50% nude ladies and 50% nude gentlemen !!!!(lol)

[tdierikx]

I prefer my gentlemen to be at least partially clothed... a nice bare torso or a nice view of a perfectly formed male buttock does wonders for this soul... lol!

Nude babies are fine if it's a family snapshot on a bearskin rug or something cute at bathtime - but nude children, or childlike figures, in "compromising" situations really does nothing for me at all... except make me rather angry...

There is never any need to produce/view images of children in "adult" situations - that is just sick as far as I'm concerned!

T.

[Rumour]

Just to clarify Inner Traveler's stance on this issue:

BDSM/Fetish/Pornographic/Hardcore and or violent graphic material content is NOT allowed anywhere on the site. Artwork depicting adult intimacy is acceptable provided no penetration of any kind is directly shown.

PHOTOGRAPHERS Please Note: Posting of BDSM/Fetish, soft porn, or images demeaning to other parties are NOT allowed in the Photography Gallery. Such images will be removed without notice. Legal Releases signed by parties used as models in nude photographs must be submitted to Innertraveler Administration prior to posting. Acceptance of any nude photograph is conditional and allowed at the sole discretion of Site Owners and Site Admins.

CG artwork using BDSM/Fetish clothing & accessories utilizing tasteful imagery are acceptable, as long as no depictions of a fetish act are shown.

No nude artwork, animations or photographs of children under the age of 18 will be allowed anywhere on the site, however, artwork showing babies in a non sexual setting will be allowed, provided there is no showing of genitalia.

I hope this clears up the issue. The stance regarding children and young adults under 18 is for their protection.

[vos]

I just mean there are more nude ladies in poser pictures than guys!!!!
And 100% agree with Rumour and tdierikx

[tdierikx]

I just mean there are more nude ladies in poser pictures than guys!!!!

Ain't that the truth!!

If I want to see a naked woman, I'll strip and stand in front of a mirror... grrr!

T.

[wile1]

I just mean there are more nude ladies in poser pictures than guys!!!!

I think its just more acceptable to do nude ladies than men. Although over the past few years at rosity and the late synergy I've seen a couple of men done.

If I want to see a naked woman, I'll strip and stand in front of a mirror... grrr!

LOL :)

Okay again sometimes nakedness is okay. There are beautifully rendered naked charachter and body form studies I've seen here. Nothing pornagraphic about them they are lovely. So for the most part I think its fine to do it if done in good taste.

I just don't want to see anything of a sexual nature. If you get my drift. If I wanted that I'd go out and buy a Playgirl magazine.

[Rumour]

@ vos: you know what to do then, if you want to even up the score...

[vos]

yep Rumour,
but I can not work in poser,I must go to learn english too ,nude is ok but you have some days that there are so many pictures of nude ladies ,I prefer, ladies with clothes,and also the gentlemen !!!

[tdierikx]

Ahhhh... but doing nude ladies means that you don't gotta buy a lot of props... right?

LOL!

I'd prefer a nice Mill Dragon or Mill Dragon 2 image than a nude or semi-nude human myself anyways... dragons are way cool!

...and what about all of the other animals that you can do with Poser?

Seems like a real waste of all the fun stuff to just stick to doing naked or semi-naked women all the time - just in different settings as far as I can see - where is the real creativity in doing what thousands of other people are doing?

I just want to see something that makes me think when I look at any artwork - am I being too fussy?

T.

[Rumour]

yep Rumour,
but I can not work in poser,I must go to learn english too ,nude is ok but you have some days that there are so many pictures of nude ladies ,I prefer, ladies with clothes,and also the gentlemen !!!

I'm not good with Poser either. I dabbled with it once a while back, picked up a few free clothes... and found them impossible to fit! More recently however, I've seen tutorials on how to draw clothing in PS... I saw a tutorial that used a Poser female as the base model. For some, this might be a longer way of doing it, but for me it was shorter (and cheaper) than trying to fit clothing. I don't have wigs for males either, so I'd have to do a hair tutorial to do that (again, drawn on in PS) which is why a male figure will take me longer to create than a female one. Not that I have done many female ones either.

Nudes are easier to do if you have Poser, but many of the results are just 'eye candy' that's aimed at an audience other than myself. Perhaps you can't work in Poser, but I've been able to import poser figures into Lightwave, is it possible Bryce could do something similar?

[tdierikx]

You obviously got further with Poser than I did... the first time I opened the program, I took a look at the controls and said..."huh?"" and promptly closed it again...

Then some time later I plucked up my courage and had another go at it - got a skeleton posed manually and exported for use in Vue... the Vue image came out pretty good too... lol!

One day I might get up enough courage to have yet another try at it... then again, I might not... I'm fickle that way...

T.

[wile1]

Well I kinda agree that nude or semi clad women are the thing to do and the easiest in poser... BTW tdierikx I've got a basic poser tutorial in poser forum if you want to look at it. Simple and easy to understand...

But back to the pics, I think most artists even poser artist will experiment with other things. The dragon is amazing but you can get a bit tired of him to after awhile. Oh I know... Lets do pics of the dragon with nekkie men and women !! J/K lol :p

[vos]

yes Rumour,you can import poser figures into bryce